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		<title>By: Top of the Blogs: The Golden Ton (Nos. 81-100) &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top of the Blogs: The Golden Ton (Nos. 81-100) &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Street Blog – now deleted) 98. Cowley St Xmas Party - exclusive photos! (Jonathan Wallace) 99. Mr Smug, Mr Smarm and my naked ballot paper (And Then He Said) 100. Was YouGov’s leadership poll “technically flawed”? (Lib Dem [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Street Blog – now deleted) 98. Cowley St Xmas Party &#8211; exclusive photos! (Jonathan Wallace) 99. Mr Smug, Mr Smarm and my naked ballot paper (And Then He Said) 100. Was YouGov’s leadership poll “technically flawed”? (Lib Dem [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Top of the Blogs: The Golden Dozen #42 &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top of the Blogs: The Golden Dozen #42 &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  8. Meadowcroft Opens Some Liberal Eyes on Jonathan Fryer’s blog. Old friends reunited.  9. Mr Smug, Mr Smarm and my naked ballot paper on Andy Darley’s And then he said blog. The harshest, spikiest and pithiest article yet about the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  8. Meadowcroft Opens Some Liberal Eyes on Jonathan Fryer’s blog. Old friends reunited.  9. Mr Smug, Mr Smarm and my naked ballot paper on Andy Darley’s And then he said blog. The harshest, spikiest and pithiest article yet about the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda:

I haven&#039;t paid all that much attention to Chris&#039;s legs, so I&#039;ll have to trust you on that one. Must admit, though, as the bearer of a mere Desmond I had a bit of difficulty in following your lofty 2:1 language.

But to be serious, your arguments cover a lot of the reasons I didn&#039;t support him last time and didn&#039;t expect to be considering supporting him this time. However, if he can kill Cameron then that alone takes the pressure off in so many of the areas he&#039;s a bit weak.

Lynne:

Thanks for the comment, which created a pleasing circularity as almost the first thing I did in this leadership contest was leave a comment on your blog - a sadly unsuccessful attempt to urge you to stand.

We need one of two things in a leader, as regards the press. They need either to be fireproof, as you say Chris is and as Nick appears not to be in the way we hoped, or they need to be exempt from attack because the media rather likes them and will cut them a lot of slack - see much of the Cameron leadership, Ming when shadowing foreign affairs, or the whole of the Reagan presidency. There was some hope that Nick might fall into that second category (Chris clearly doesn&#039;t) but this campaign has created a big question mark over that point.

&#039;Vote for my man because he can stand up to bullies&#039; is a pretty unhappy rallying cry, though, because of what it says about politics at the moment. Dammit - why didn&#039;t you stand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda:</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t paid all that much attention to Chris&#8217;s legs, so I&#8217;ll have to trust you on that one. Must admit, though, as the bearer of a mere Desmond I had a bit of difficulty in following your lofty 2:1 language.</p>
<p>But to be serious, your arguments cover a lot of the reasons I didn&#8217;t support him last time and didn&#8217;t expect to be considering supporting him this time. However, if he can kill Cameron then that alone takes the pressure off in so many of the areas he&#8217;s a bit weak.</p>
<p>Lynne:</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment, which created a pleasing circularity as almost the first thing I did in this leadership contest was leave a comment on your blog &#8211; a sadly unsuccessful attempt to urge you to stand.</p>
<p>We need one of two things in a leader, as regards the press. They need either to be fireproof, as you say Chris is and as Nick appears not to be in the way we hoped, or they need to be exempt from attack because the media rather likes them and will cut them a lot of slack &#8211; see much of the Cameron leadership, Ming when shadowing foreign affairs, or the whole of the Reagan presidency. There was some hope that Nick might fall into that second category (Chris clearly doesn&#8217;t) but this campaign has created a big question mark over that point.</p>
<p>&#8216;Vote for my man because he can stand up to bullies&#8217; is a pretty unhappy rallying cry, though, because of what it says about politics at the moment. Dammit &#8211; why didn&#8217;t you stand?</p>
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		<title>By: lynne f</title>
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		<dc:creator>lynne f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analysis and blog post. As Chair of Chris&#039;s campaign (which is only fair to state at outset) couldn&#039;t resist your &#039;ask&#039; for a comment as to why you should vote for Chris.

Leadership is the roughest game in town. The media adore Vince at the moment (a) because he&#039;s having a ball and b)no doubt an effort in redemption for their mercilessness toward Ming) but that will end abruptly as we announce our new leader. Neither candidate is perfect - but I have absoutely no worries about Chris&#039;s ability to deal with whatever is thrown at him - and given what will be thrown - the initial baptism of fire will colour the leadership and the LibDems in perpetuity.

I could give you loads more reasons to vote for Chris - ability to get coverage, ability to think on his feet, brilliant termperament when the going gets rough and so on - but you asked for one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis and blog post. As Chair of Chris&#8217;s campaign (which is only fair to state at outset) couldn&#8217;t resist your &#8216;ask&#8217; for a comment as to why you should vote for Chris.</p>
<p>Leadership is the roughest game in town. The media adore Vince at the moment (a) because he&#8217;s having a ball and b)no doubt an effort in redemption for their mercilessness toward Ming) but that will end abruptly as we announce our new leader. Neither candidate is perfect &#8211; but I have absoutely no worries about Chris&#8217;s ability to deal with whatever is thrown at him &#8211; and given what will be thrown &#8211; the initial baptism of fire will colour the leadership and the LibDems in perpetuity.</p>
<p>I could give you loads more reasons to vote for Chris &#8211; ability to get coverage, ability to think on his feet, brilliant termperament when the going gets rough and so on &#8211; but you asked for one!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry that (9.) was a reply to Andy (7.), not to Linda (8.).  D&#039;oh!

(Linda, I would have thought &#039;not getting on with the Parliamentary Party&#039; would have been right at the top of your list of requirements for a party leader! ;-)))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that (9.) was a reply to Andy (7.), not to Linda (8.).  D&#8217;oh!</p>
<p>(Linda, I would have thought &#8216;not getting on with the Parliamentary Party&#8217; would have been right at the top of your list of requirements for a party leader! ;-)))</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed!</description>
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		<title>By: Linda Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I already left a comment, but perhaps I was dreaming!

Interesting post and really important points. However, two considerations that I think you may have overlooked.

Firstly, leadership is about more than communicating to the outside world, but it is a lot about that and I don&#039;t think Chris does that effectively enough, I think you really need an Oxbridge First and enormous concentration, to follow him, which is great for the great and the good amongst us, but some of us only managed a 2:1.......and not from Oxbridge!

Secondly, it is also about the whole scope of leadership. The leader has to straddle 3 horses - the electorate, the party - especially the activists and the parliamentary party. Have political legs too short to effectively straddle all 3 and you are heading for trouble. My fear with Chris is that his legs won&#039;t quite stretch to the parliamentary party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I already left a comment, but perhaps I was dreaming!</p>
<p>Interesting post and really important points. However, two considerations that I think you may have overlooked.</p>
<p>Firstly, leadership is about more than communicating to the outside world, but it is a lot about that and I don&#8217;t think Chris does that effectively enough, I think you really need an Oxbridge First and enormous concentration, to follow him, which is great for the great and the good amongst us, but some of us only managed a 2:1&#8230;&#8230;.and not from Oxbridge!</p>
<p>Secondly, it is also about the whole scope of leadership. The leader has to straddle 3 horses &#8211; the electorate, the party &#8211; especially the activists and the parliamentary party. Have political legs too short to effectively straddle all 3 and you are heading for trouble. My fear with Chris is that his legs won&#8217;t quite stretch to the parliamentary party.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: I think you&#039;ve just written the concise, non-cynical version of my screed! Agree with you about the demos. His majority doesn&#039;t bother me - that&#039;ll go up from the exposure whatever happens.

Ed: have been meaning to drop you a line - it&#039;s been a few years since Norwich, hasn&#039;t it?

Charlotte: That&#039;s my whole point, really. I agree with most of what you say, it&#039;s just - I remember the last Tory government and part of me is thinking any amount of playing dirty is worth it to avoid another one.

Paul: Thanks very much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: I think you&#8217;ve just written the concise, non-cynical version of my screed! Agree with you about the demos. His majority doesn&#8217;t bother me &#8211; that&#8217;ll go up from the exposure whatever happens.</p>
<p>Ed: have been meaning to drop you a line &#8211; it&#8217;s been a few years since Norwich, hasn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Charlotte: That&#8217;s my whole point, really. I agree with most of what you say, it&#8217;s just &#8211; I remember the last Tory government and part of me is thinking any amount of playing dirty is worth it to avoid another one.</p>
<p>Paul: Thanks very much!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you just need to look at couple of ways he stitched up Cameron on green issues - not least making sure everyone knew he had a &quot;shoe chauffeur&quot; driving behind him when he cycled to work.

More recently he has done it to Labour through asking the police to investigate donorgate.

Excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you just need to look at couple of ways he stitched up Cameron on green issues &#8211; not least making sure everyone knew he had a &#8220;shoe chauffeur&#8221; driving behind him when he cycled to work.</p>
<p>More recently he has done it to Labour through asking the police to investigate donorgate.</p>
<p>Excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the party leader is supposed to be the party personified, if they&#039;re supposed to be a metaphor for the whole movement then really Clegg is the only logical choice if increasing our party&#039;s vote share is the objective.

This isn&#039;t a vacancy to head up the party&#039;s general election campaign, or to run our campaigns in general. Why would Huhne&#039;s willingness and ability to campaign negatively have a positive impact on decisions on whether or not he&#039;s the right person to represent our party to the British public?

Electing the dirty campaigner is the wrong thing to do. Think about what message that would send to the British public, what people would think if they knew we&#039;d elected someone in the hope that they would, &quot;...lie, cheat, mangle the truth, hit below the belt and generally behave like a cross between Karl Rove and Ric Flair&quot;?

No way I could support a party that behaves like that. It&#039;s disrespectful to the public and the electorate. If you don&#039;t respect them, if you&#039;re willing to lie to them then you&#039;re no better than the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the party leader is supposed to be the party personified, if they&#8217;re supposed to be a metaphor for the whole movement then really Clegg is the only logical choice if increasing our party&#8217;s vote share is the objective.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a vacancy to head up the party&#8217;s general election campaign, or to run our campaigns in general. Why would Huhne&#8217;s willingness and ability to campaign negatively have a positive impact on decisions on whether or not he&#8217;s the right person to represent our party to the British public?</p>
<p>Electing the dirty campaigner is the wrong thing to do. Think about what message that would send to the British public, what people would think if they knew we&#8217;d elected someone in the hope that they would, &#8220;&#8230;lie, cheat, mangle the truth, hit below the belt and generally behave like a cross between Karl Rove and Ric Flair&#8221;?</p>
<p>No way I could support a party that behaves like that. It&#8217;s disrespectful to the public and the electorate. If you don&#8217;t respect them, if you&#8217;re willing to lie to them then you&#8217;re no better than the others.</p>
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